{"id":728,"date":"2023-09-19T19:47:19","date_gmt":"2023-09-19T17:47:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nosrevolutions.fr\/?p=728"},"modified":"2025-05-21T16:42:13","modified_gmt":"2025-05-21T14:42:13","slug":"en-debat-debattre-avec-edouard-philippe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nosrevolutions.fr\/en\/2023\/09\/19\/en-debat-debattre-avec-edouard-philippe\/","title":{"rendered":"En d\u00e9bat. D\u00e9battre avec \u00c9douard Philippe\u00a0?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Que penser de l\u2019irruption de Ritchy Thibault, \u00ab&nbsp;militant gilet jaune&nbsp;\u00bb, lors du d\u00e9bat entre Fabien Roussel et \u00c9douard Philippe \u00e0 la F\u00eate de l\u2019Humanit\u00e9 2023<sup data-fn=\"a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba\" id=\"a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba-link\">1<\/a><\/sup>&nbsp;? A-t-il eu raison d\u2019affirmer qu\u2019\u00c9douard Philippe n\u2019a \u00ab&nbsp;<em>rien \u00e0 faire ici&nbsp;<\/em>\u00bb car \u00ab&nbsp;<em>c\u2019est un \u00e9borgneur<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb&nbsp;? La question n\u2019est pas simple.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u2019un c\u00f4t\u00e9, \u00c9douard Philippe est effectivement le responsable politique qui, avec Macron et Castaner, a mat\u00e9 violemment la r\u00e9volte des Gilets Jaunes. Ce n&rsquo;est pas rien : il a alors saccag\u00e9 des dizaines de vies (sans m\u00eame parler des cons\u00e9quences humaines de ses r\u00e9formes) et a normalis\u00e9 le traitement des mouvements sociaux par la terreur. Entre lui et nous, il y a du sang. Ainsi, le d\u00e9bat ne peut plus \u00eatre \u00ab&nbsp;<em>cordial, respectueux<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb comme le voudrait Fabien Roussel. Il peut encore moins aboutir \u00e0 des convergences du type \u00ab&nbsp;<em>ce ne serait pas responsable de dire que la dette n\u2019est pas un probl\u00e8me et qu\u2019on ne va pas la payer<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb (voir la transcription du d\u00e9bat).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La tribune \u00ab\u00a0transpartisane\u00a0\u00bb sur les r\u00e9gularisations dans les m\u00e9tiers en tension publi\u00e9e le 11 septembre dans <em>Lib\u00e9ration<\/em><sup data-fn=\"662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55\" id=\"662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55-link\">2<\/a><\/sup> et l&rsquo;unanimisme entre les classes et les partis qu&rsquo;elle promeut posent les m\u00eames probl\u00e8mes. Je pense donc que la s\u00e9natrice \u00c9liane Assassi a raison de la critiquer dans son entretien au <em>Point <\/em>du 16 septembre<sup data-fn=\"debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458\" id=\"debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458-link\">3<\/a><\/sup> (bien que je ne pense pas, contrairement \u00e0 elle, qu&rsquo;il soit pertinent d&rsquo;appeler \u00e0 des rapports apais\u00e9s entre les partis repr\u00e9sent\u00e9s au S\u00e9nat : le pav\u00e9 de la lutte contre la r\u00e9forme des retraites est encore chaud !).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ces interventions n\u2019ont qu\u2019une cons\u00e9quence&nbsp;: elles abaissent le niveau de conscience de celles et ceux qui les \u00e9coutent, en d\u00e9guisant nos ennemis mortels en interlocuteurs respectables, sinon m\u00eame en partenaires \u00e9ventuels. Ces gens ne sont pas respectables. Ils sont les fond\u00e9s de pouvoir du patronat et il n\u2019y aura pas d\u2019espoir pour les classes populaires tant qu\u2019ils exerceront une once de pouvoir. Cela doit \u00eatre dit et r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pas de cordialit\u00e9, pas d&rsquo;apaisement et pas de convergences donc. Mais bien qu\u2019on puisse comprendre sa r\u00e9action, ce Gilet Jaune se trompe \u00e9galement. Nous sommes \u00e0 un moment de l\u2019histoire de notre pays o\u00f9 le vaste front populaire qui s\u2019est lev\u00e9 contre la r\u00e9forme des retraites a \u00e9t\u00e9 vaincu \u00e0 la fin du printemps, puis s\u2019est d\u00e9sagr\u00e9g\u00e9 tout au long de l\u2019\u00e9t\u00e9. L\u2019\u00e9tat d\u2019esprit des populations, en cette rentr\u00e9e, n\u2019est plus au combat&nbsp;: comme l\u2019attestent les enqu\u00eates d\u2019opinion, la r\u00e9signation l\u2019a (momentan\u00e9ment) emport\u00e9. Dans un tel contexte, elles tol\u00e8rent \u00e0 nouveau le joug de la bourgeoisie, et ne comprennent pas qu\u2019on refuse de l\u2019entendre, contrairement \u00e0 la p\u00e9riode du mois de mai, o\u00f9 des concerts de casseroles recouvraient toutes les prises de parole des ministres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u2019heure est donc \u00e0 reconstituer m\u00e9thodiquement les convictions que la d\u00e9faite a cass\u00e9es. La pol\u00e9mique, avec \u00c9douard Philippe ou un autre, peut le permettre. Mais il faut que cet effort sorte du terrain de l\u2019\u00e9motion ou des \u00ab&nbsp;valeurs&nbsp;\u00bb choisi par Ritchy Thibault, pour se placer sur celui de la raison et de la politique, car seules les id\u00e9es acquises de cette mani\u00e8re sont suffisamment solides pour faire face \u00e0 une p\u00e9riode de r\u00e9gression du rapport de forces. Cet objectif plus important que tous les autres, \u00e0 savoir l\u2019\u00e9l\u00e9vation du niveau de conscience, requiert avant tout des arguments pr\u00e9cis et irr\u00e9futables, de la d\u00e9termination \u00e0 combattre, de la lucidit\u00e9 et de l\u2019organisation. Dans les prochaines semaines, l&rsquo;examen du projet de loi Immigration de G\u00e9rald Darmanin doit permettre d&rsquo;avancer dans ce sens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-footnotes\"><li id=\"a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=kfEw-_FX5oU\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=kfEw-_FX5oU<\/a> <a href=\"#a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 1\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/loi-immigration-nous-demandons-des-mesures-urgentes-humanistes-et-concretes-pour-la-regularisation-des-travailleurs-sans-papiers-20230911_FDPD34IQVVBUDOE35TPW56TXSU\/\">https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/loi-immigration-nous-demandons-des-mesures-urgentes-humanistes-et-concretes-pour-la-regularisation-des-travailleurs-sans-papiers-20230911_FDPD34IQVVBUDOE35TPW56TXSU\/<\/a> <a href=\"#662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 2\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lepoint.fr\/politique\/eliane-assassi-l-appel-de-fabien-roussel-a-envahir-les-prefectures-c-est-non-16-09-2023-2535625_20.php\">https:\/\/www.lepoint.fr\/politique\/eliane-assassi-l-appel-de-fabien-roussel-a-envahir-les-prefectures-c-est-non-16-09-2023-2535625_20.php<\/a> <a href=\"#debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 3\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Image d&rsquo;illustration issue du <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/humanite.fr\/videos\/364722742548571\">compte Facebook<\/a> de <em>L&rsquo;Humanit\u00e9<\/em>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Que penser de l\u2019irruption de Ritchy Thibault, \u00ab&nbsp;militant gilet jaune&nbsp;\u00bb, lors du d\u00e9bat entre Fabien Roussel et \u00c9douard Philippe \u00e0 la F\u00eate de l\u2019Humanit\u00e9 2023&nbsp;? A-t-il eu raison d\u2019affirmer qu\u2019\u00c9douard [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":730,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"footnotes":"[{\"content\":\"<a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=kfEw-_FX5oU\\\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=kfEw-_FX5oU<\/a>\",\"id\":\"a01d8e81-0898-4e6e-83e6-65e288f9e9ba\"},{\"content\":\"<a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/loi-immigration-nous-demandons-des-mesures-urgentes-humanistes-et-concretes-pour-la-regularisation-des-travailleurs-sans-papiers-20230911_FDPD34IQVVBUDOE35TPW56TXSU\/\\\">https:\/\/www.liberation.fr\/idees-et-debats\/tribunes\/loi-immigration-nous-demandons-des-mesures-urgentes-humanistes-et-concretes-pour-la-regularisation-des-travailleurs-sans-papiers-20230911_FDPD34IQVVBUDOE35TPW56TXSU\/<\/a>\",\"id\":\"662a7def-3983-41bc-b8b2-6ccd8f1c9e55\"},{\"content\":\"<a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.lepoint.fr\/politique\/eliane-assassi-l-appel-de-fabien-roussel-a-envahir-les-prefectures-c-est-non-16-09-2023-2535625_20.php\\\">https:\/\/www.lepoint.fr\/politique\/eliane-assassi-l-appel-de-fabien-roussel-a-envahir-les-prefectures-c-est-non-16-09-2023-2535625_20.php<\/a>\",\"id\":\"debd5832-8abd-45ba-bd39-1a4e9eb25458\"}]"},"categories":[35],"tags":[16,10],"class_list":["post-728","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-en-debat","tag-democratie","tag-mouvement-social"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>En d\u00e9bat. 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